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December 13th, 2012

Well, holy $@#$%^&*, right?

Josh Hamilton is an Angel, and this isn’t a video game, and we aren’t talking about some bizarre fantasy league that uses actual team names. This move opens up a ton of avenues for the rest of this offseason.

Hamilton could break down tomorrow and miss a hundred games, or he could win a Triple Crown and, subsequently, an MVP award. Because that’s what happens when you win the Triple Crown.

The most enjoyable part of running Halos Daily is the interaction with the biggest Angels fans. This contract is incredibly risky, and it’s going to take a few hours, or weeks, for me to digest and respond to it, but what does everyone else think? Is this a bad move? Is it a great move? Do the Angels need to win a World Series for this deal to make sense?

Drop a few comments and let’s break this thing down together!



  • Saxon says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm


    Anything over five years and I was all ready to say this was a mistake. If the rumored 5/125 is right then I think its a good deal. If Upton is getting 75 then it seems right that Hammy is getting 125.

    • Hudson Belinsky says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:14 pm


      I’m very cautious about five years for a guy with Hamilton’s injury history, even given his talent. And I question the club’s willingness to pay him $25M a year with Greinke averaging out to $24.5M per season and only one additional year.

      • Dubya19 says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:46 pm


        Hudson nailed it right here. Greinke’s age, durability, and relative talent for the price tage made him the better signing than Hamilton. Especially with the Angels’ rotation needs. This team entered spring training last year with many people claiming it had the best rotation in all of MLB. They’ve clearly tumbled into the bottom half of MLB with where it is now. Weaver is solid, but you’ve got a #2 in Wilson that is coming off injury and didn’t inspire too much confidence as a shut-down starter anyway, and the 3-5 starters are a bunch of retreads that’ll arouse plenty of WTFs. With Hamilton in the lineup, the offense should rake. But the rotation is beginning to look like an embarrassment.

        • Hudson Belinsky says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:52 pm


          I’d say the rotation is about average now. The bullpen is deeper and should take pressure off the back-end of the rotation. But I think the Hamilton signing opens the door for a trade for a better starter that will involve Bourjos or possibly Trumbo.

      • Saxon says on: December 13, 2012 at 4:52 pm


        Right but someone was going to give him 5 years. I think we can agree on that. And with BJ earning 75 million this year, Hammy’s 125 seems reasonable. Signing Hammy allows the Angels to make a trade for a pitcher.

        Big bat + pitcher or just pitcher?

        Also, Hamilton actually didn’t hit the DL at all last year. Many DtoDs but no DL stints. Missed 13 games. Had the most ABs + Games played he’s had since 2008.

        • Hudson Belinsky says on: December 13, 2012 at 5:19 pm


          It’s fascinating. The Angels must believe in the medicals, but Greinke was a still a smaller risk. We’ll have to see what kind of value they can get out of whichever OF gets the boot before we can fully analyze the decision to go with Hamilton instead of Greinke.

  • Jeff says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:08 pm


    I’m excited. Just not excited enough to risk my life by asking for him to toss me a ball.

    • Hudson Belinsky says on: December 13, 2012 at 3:15 pm


      More of a stadium operations issue. And the way he handled everything with the kid was very cool.

  • sleepy49er says on: December 13, 2012 at 4:15 pm


    DO NOT TRADE TRUMBO! Trumbo can rotate LF/DH with the $25 million man (Wells) until Wells demonstrates what he already has (post HGH) which is ZIP, then keep Trumbo in LF and let Wells ride the pine. Trade Bourjos if you like, speed doesnt work unless you reach base. The Angels have 5 30 plus HR in their lineup, WOW!

  • Damon says on: December 13, 2012 at 4:19 pm


    Nobody take him to downtown HB. Ever.

    Also, if we could get him to do the following things less frequently, that would be great:

    1. Break sobriety and issue a semi-lame apology right after
    2. Wax poetic about how Jesus saved him
    3. Strike out.

    • Nathan Aderhold says on: December 14, 2012 at 5:32 am


      That downtown HB comment is an instant classic.

  • Dubya19 says on: December 13, 2012 at 5:32 pm


    Josh Hamilton is talented, but he’s also in the twilight of his prime, and his stats have been inflated playing half his games in that bandbox in Arlington. Also, much like Pujols, the last two years with his former team were good but don’t necessarily scream “superstar.” Even if he’s healthy most of the year, the Angels will be lucky to get a .275/.345/.525 line (30-35 HRs and 100 RBIs) from Josh. I wouldn’t be surprised if neither he nor Pujols posts an OBP above .350. So much for having “the most potent offense in baseball” when your 3-4 hitters fall short of that threshold.

    • Hudson Belinsky says on: December 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm


      I’d be very surprised to see that type of production from Hamilton. This is a guy who’s only two years removed from hitting .359 in the American League. He can’t be expected to do that again, but he’s still very capable, and in short spurts of 2012 he looked like one of the best players we’ve ever seen. He’s a supreme talent, and that’s undeniable. I’m not worried about what Hamilton’s going to do when he’s on the field; I’m worried about how often he isn’t going to be on the field.

  • Dubya19 says on: December 13, 2012 at 5:37 pm


    Oh, and let’s not forget that Torii Hunter has already signed elsewhere and that the Angels will likely dispose of another decent offensive weapon or two (Bourjos/Trumbo trade?) in a desperate play to shore up the rotation. Having a core of Trout-Pujols-Hamilton would still be very solid, but I don’t it instills quite as much fear in opposing pitchers as Angels fans would like to believe, especially with some of those other pieces missing. By my current projections, the Angels are maybe an 80-85 win team as presently constructured. They could optimistically win 85-90 games if a few things fall into place….a sub-.500 record is a distinct possibility as well.

  • PetMyRallyMonkey says on: December 13, 2012 at 7:57 pm


    If you are a Rangers fan then all you have to do is lose the World Series for a deal like this to make sense. For the Angels, it does appear the deals made during these last two offseasons are windows that will start closing in the next few years. But when that starts happening, they can always throw more money on next year’s top FA… Robinson Cano in red?

    Still need a solid #2 starter, and I’m not so sure Lohse/Sanchez/Jackson quite qualify as a #2. Hopefully the extra OFs/1Bs will bring that via trade.

    And it’s hard to get overly excited with the bottom half of that line-up…

    Overall, this season should be a long, fun run into October. Pitchers and catchers in only a couple months!!!

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